[coasterville]

For flag day 2009 I added a cotton "Betsy Ross" pattern flag to my collection. It has sewn stars and stripes, and the header material looks particularly strong. The only oddity to it is that is has the largest grommets I have ever seen on a flag, mind you this is a 3x5 flag. I just checked and standard Flag Rings like I use to attach my flags to my poles are too small and pass right through these grommets.

I guess I will need to resort to zip ties when I want to fly this one...


As I heard when I visited Six Flags last month: "More Flags, More Fun!"

[Robin Hickman]

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Hey, Coasterville !

Where's you get the Flag?

Robin
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[coasterville]

That'sodd I wrote a reply, and hit the button to post it but it never appeared, let me try again.

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I bought the flag in question from Flags Georgia, which trades online at Flags Georgia I have ordered several things from them, including the miniature world flags set that lines my second floor railing. I find the prices to be significantly cheaper than going to a bricks and mortar flag dealer, and the service is incredible, I have never waited more than 2 business days after ordering to receive my order.

Here is the listing: Betsy Ross 13 Star Cotton Flag

This flag came in a reuseable plastic pouch that snaps shut.

Photo:

Star field detail:

Super close up:

[Robin Hickman]

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Hey, Coasterville !

Yep! I've heard of "Flags! Georgia". In fact, I've got them bookmarked (along with about 50-60 other vendors). I've never bought anything from them though (yet).

GOOD looking Flag !

Heavens To BETSY !!!

Robin

PS. I really like the idea of a re-sealable (re-useable) plastic bag. I'd think it would come in extra handy to store the flags you might not use very often!

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[Robin Hickman]

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BTW, Coaster,

I forgot to ask, what size are the grommets. If you don't know the grommets size by "grommet size" (ie. #1, #2, #3, etc.), what is the inner diameter (ID)?

THANX !

Robin
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[american_flag_uk]

Hey there Coasterville

Nice flag

I have one of those aswell- though mine is 3x5, cotton bunting with cotton stars.
I have preference for flags where the canton is around 2/5th the way across the flag. Its interesting how some flag companies make flags where the canton is nearly or at the half way mark across the overall flag, like yours appears to be!.. Can they not spare the extra few inches of stripes?

What is the overall size of that flag?

[Robin Hickman]

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It looks like a "regular" House Flag. Meaning, it looks like it's a 3'x'5' Betsy Ross Flag.

It is a very GOOD-looking Flag, but I think the Stars are a little "small" for the Field they're in. They are probably the same size of Stars (approximately 2" point-to-point) that you would find on most American-made 3'x5' 50 Star Flags.

In my humble opinion (IMHO), for what it's worth (FWIW), because there are only 13 Stars instead of 50 "filling" the Field, the Stars should be larger so as to take up a little more room and be a little more "esthetically appealing".

Say, about 3" point-to-point ???


Just a thought.....


Robin
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[coasterville]

Wow, I never realized my flag purchase would create such interest.

Okay, I got out Ye Olde Ruler and measured a star, I just picked one of the 13 at random they all look the same - 2.5" point to point.

The grommets themselves appear to be 1.25" diameter, and the grommet hole is 11/16"

The canton measures approx 25"x19"

I checked FOTW and they don't seem to have a pattern or style guide for this design.

Oh, and I verified it is a 3x5 flag

The flag and its pouch have no tags or markings giving origin or manufacturer.

[Robin Hickman]

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Hi, Coasterville !
Hi, American_Flag_UK !


I have TWO of my flags flying out in front of my house today.

The first one is my "official" Flag that flies in front of my house just about every day. It is an Annin & Co. 3'x5' SunGlo Acid-dyed SolarMax nylon 50-Star Flag. I bought it last June (2007) on eBay from a guy in Vermont that used to own a Flag Shop. I bought all seven that he had for sale for $69.93 and he threw in the eighth one for free. I'm flying the "8th" one.

My NEW 13-Star (Betsy Ross) 3'x5' printed polyester Flag that I got about a week ago from "The Flag King" on eBay ($7.95 +FREE S&H). I don't know where it was made, but considering its materials & construction (if you know what I mean...), I'd say China. I can't remember if the bag was marked or not (Flag isn't).

In comparing the two Flags' Stars, the 50-Star Flag's Stars are 2" point-to-point, and the Betsy Ross Flag's are 3" across (P2P). See photos below.

The "cantons" ("Unions") are of slightly different sizes. While both Flags cantons "hoists" measure approximately 19", the "fly length" of the Unions is markedly different. The 50-Star Flag's Union's fly is about 27", and the Betsy Ross' is about 22". To sum up, the 50-Star Flag's Union measures approximately 19"x27", and the Betsy Ross' about 19"x22". See photos below.


2FlagsFlying-OutMyFrontDoor.JPG :
2FlagsFlying-OutMyFrontDoor.JPG


2Flags-Unions.JPG :
2Flags-Unions.JPG


13Star-3inch-Pt2Pt.JPG :
13Star-3inch-Pt2Pt.JPG


50Star-2inch-Pt2Pt.JPG :
50Star-2inch-Pt2Pt.JPG


I've got a couple of "quibbles" that I have about my "new" Betsy Ross Flag.

One is that the grommets are both too large (I estimate that they are about a size #8) and too light-weight (more like "eyelets" than grommets).

Another one is that the Stars are all pointing "up". A minor point really. It's just that I would prefer that they all would point "outward".


That's all from me about this for now !

Robin Hickman
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[Robin Hickman]

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FLAG Grommets : A Primer :

Metal Grommets have been used on Flags' headers since about the American Civil War. I don't know when they started being categotized by specific sizes. I do have a pretty good idea about their present day sizing.

If the Flag-making industry has a "standard" size for grommets that would probably be a Size #2 grommet, at least for the "house" sized Flags (3x5, 4x6, 5x8). Smaller Flags, such as for small boats or classrooms, usually have narrower headers and weigh less, so they use smaller grommets (Size #00, #0, or #1).

There are different types of grommets, so not all grommets are created equal. In fact not ALL grommet types will necessarily have the same ID for the sizes listed below.


Metal Grommet Sizes (Inner Diameter = ID)

Size = I.D.
#00 = 3/16"
#0 = 1/4"
#1 = 9/32"
#2 = 3/8" ("Standard")
#3 = 7/16"
#4 = 1/2"
#5 = 5/8"
#6 = 13/16"

Hope this helps !

Robin "I Am Secure In The Size Of My Inner Diameter!" Hickman
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