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    This is my first posting. I found you great folks while researching a question posed to our Museum's Director... (Star-Spangled Banner Flag House and Museum)
    Is it appropriate to use the National Anthem as the sound track for a dance number? Many thanks! I look forward to the answers and to further exploring this site!

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    Default Re: Dancing? { No! No! A Thousand Times NO !!! }

    GREETINGS, J.C. Peters !!!

    Welcome to the USA-Flag-Site Forums !!!

    It is, indeed, a pleasure to have someone who volunteers at the "Star-Spangled Banner Flag House and Museum" as a member here !!!

    However.....

    My FIRST reaction upon reading your question about using our National Anthem as a "soundtrack" for a dance number was to mentally scream, "No! No! A Thousand Times NO!!!"

    My SECOND reaction was to wonder whether or not your entry (posting) was a "legitimate" one, or some kind of "gag". Both you and your question seem to be "legitimate" to me.

    My THIRD reaction was to check my pockets to see if I had a couple of Lincoln-head pennies so I could afford to "chip in" my two cents worth to the discussion. It just so happens that I have seven (7) pennies to invest in this conversation!

    Your Question : "Is it appropriate to use the National Anthem as the sound track for a dance number?"

    Here at the USA-Flag-Site Forums we have some members here who are "crack" experts on the American Flag, its origins & history, usage & etiquette, materials & construction, and everything else about it.

    They will be able to quote "Chapter & Verse" why, or why not, it is, or isn't, a good (or "bad") idea, or whether it's respectful or disrespectful, to use our country's National Anthem as a soundtrack for a dance number.

    These guys are really VERY knowledgeable and experienced, and way, way out of my league when it comes to "knowing" the Flag! So, there is NO WAY that I'm going to try to duplicate their answers, whatever they might be !


    I will, however, based on my own point of view, experiences, and opinions, ask you a few questions about the Museum's proposed "plan".


    Since you are an U.S.A.F. Veteran and a volunteer there at the "Star-Spangled Banner Flag House and Museum", I'm sure you've been through quite a few ceremonies where the "Star-Spangled Banner", our National Anthem, was played. Thinking back, do you remember what those present (the "audience") DID when the National Anthem was played, EVERY single time it was played?

    When the National Anthem started playing, did they ALL stand at attention, with their hands over their hearts (or saluting), and face the Flag, or if there wasn't one present, face the music?

    Based on your past experiences with the National Anthem (and not going into whether it would be respectful or disrespectful), what would you guess the audience will MOST likely do when the Museum starts its Star-Spangled Banner "song & dance" act? What will YOU and the rest of the Museum's staff & volunteers do ???

    See ???


    J.C., if the Museum decides to "go" with the National Anthem "Dance Number", I'm sure you'll do it after all due considerations and points of view are thoroughly investigated. As for me and my opinion, whether it counts or not, I'd say, "don't do it". But then, it's no skin off my nose, right? But IF the Museum DOES decide to do it, I can tell you that I'm sure glad it won't be me sitting at the welcome desk or answering the phones the next morning !!!


    All that aside, I am REALLY very glad that you've chosen to be a member here on our Forums! Thank You for joining !!!

    And Thank You for bringing your Flag-related question to our Fourums !!!

    Robin Hickman

    "All That Is Needed For Evil To Triumph Is For Good Men To Stand By And Do Nothing"


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    Dancing to the tune of the Star Spangled Banner? NEVER. But you are free to dance to the tune of "To Anacreon in Heaven."

    Nick

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    hi welcome to the forum!

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    Hmmmm..... YES..... But WHICH lyrices ???


    "Adams And Liberty", "To Anacreon in Heaven", or "Bar Tangled Manner" (NOT to be confused with Dylan's "Tangled Up In Blue"!) ???


    "ADAMS AND LIBERTY"
    Lyrics By Robert Treat Paine
    [ Retrieved From : http://www.potw.org/archive/potw233.html ]


    YE sons of Columbia, who bravely have fought,
    For those rights, which unstained from your Sires had descended,
    May you long taste the blessings your valour has brought,
    And your sons reap the soil which their fathers defended.
    'Mid the regin of mild Peace,
    May your nation increase,
    With the glory of Rome, and the wisdom of Greece;
    And ne'er shall the sons of Columbia be slaves,
    While the earth bears a plant, or the sea rolls its waves.

    In a clime, whose rich vales feed the marts of the world,
    Whose shores are unshaken by Europe's commotion,
    The trident of Commerce should never be hurled,
    To incense the legitimate powers of the ocean.
    But should pirates invade,
    Though in thunder arrayed,
    Let your cannon declare the free charter of trade.
    For ne'er shall the sons of Columbia be slaves,
    While the earth bears a plant, or the sea rolls its waves.

    The fame of our arms, of our laws the mild sway,
    Had justly ennobled our nation in story,
    'Till the dark clouds of faction obscured our young day,
    And enveloped the sun of American glory.
    But let traitors be told,
    Who their country have sold,
    And bartered their God for his image in gold,
    That ne'er will the sons of Columbia be slaves,
    While the earth bears a plant, or the sea rolls its waves.

    While France her huge limbs bathes recumbent in blood,
    And Society's base threats with wide dissolution;
    May Peace like the dove, who returned from the flood,
    Find an ark of abode in our mild constitution
    But though Peace is our aim,
    Yet the boon we disclaim,
    If bought by our Sov'reignty, Justice or Fame.
    For ne'er shall the sons of Columbia be slaves,
    While the earth bears a plant, or the sea rolls its waves.

    'Tis the fire of the flint, each American warms;
    Let Rome's haughty victors beware of collision,
    Let them bring all the vassals of Europe in arms,
    We're a world by ourselves, and disdain a division.
    While with patriot pride,
    To our laws we're allied,
    No foe can subdue us, no faction divide.
    For ne'er shall the sons of Columbia be slaves,
    While the earth bears a plant, or the sea rolls its waves.

    Our mountains are crowned with imperial oak;
    Whose roots, like our liberties, ages have nourished;
    But lone e'er our nation submits to the yoke,
    Not a tree shall be left on the field where it flourished.
    Should invasion impend,
    Every grove would descend,
    From the hill-tops, they shaded, our shores to defend.
    For ne'er shall the sons of Columbia be slaves,
    While the earth bears a plant, or the sea rolls its waves.

    Let our patriots destroy Anarch's pestilent worm;
    Lest our Liberty's growth should be checked by corrosion;
    Then let clouds thicken round us; we heed not the storm;
    Our realm fears no shock, but the earth's own explosion.
    Foes assail us in vain,
    Though their fleets bridge the main,
    For our altars and laws with our lives we'll maintain.
    For ne'er shall the sons of Columbia be slaves,
    While the earth bears a plant, or the sea rolls its waves.

    Should the Tempest of War overshadow our land,
    Its bolts could ne'er rend Freedom's temple asunder;
    For, unmoved, at its portal, would Washington stand,
    And repulse, with his Breast, the assaults of the thunder!
    His sword, from the sleep
    Of its scabbard would leap,
    And conduct, with its point, ev'ry flash to the deep!
    For ne'er shall the sons of Columbia be slaves,
    While the earth bears a plant, or the sea rolls its waves.

    Let Fame to the world sound America's voice;
    No intrigues can her sons from their government sever;
    Her pride is her Adams; Her laws are his choice,
    And shall flourish, till Liberty slumbers for ever.
    Then unite heart and hand,
    Like Leonidas' band,
    And swear to the God of the ocean and land;
    That ne'er shall the sons of Columbia be slaves,
    While the earth bears a plant, or the sea rolls its waves.

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    "To Anacreon in Heaven"
    Lyrics: Ralph Tomlinson Music: John Stafford Smith
    [ Retrieved From : http://glyfix.com/soa/lyrics/anacreon_theme.html ]


    To Anacreon in Heav'n, where he sat in full glee,
    A few Sons of Harmony sent a petition;
    That he their Inspirer and Patron wou'd be;
    When this answer arrived from the Jolly Old Grecian;
    "Voice, Fiddle, and Flute,
    No longer be mute,
    I'll lend you my name and inspire you to boot,
    And besides I'll instruct you like me, to intwine,
    The Myrtle of Venus with Bacchus's Vine."

    The news through Olympus immediately flew;
    When Old Thunder pretended to give himself airs.
    If these Mortals are suffered their scheme to pursue,
    The Devil, a Goddess, will stay above stairs.
    "Hark", Already they cry,
    "In transports of joy,
    Away to the Sons of Anacreon we'll fly.
    And besides I'll instruct you like me, to intwine,
    The Myrtle of Venus with Bacchus's Vine."

    "The Yellow-Haired God and his nine lusty Maids,
    From Helion's banks will incontinent flee,
    Idalia will boast but of tenantless Shades,
    And the bi-forked hill a mere desert will be.
    My Thunder no fear on't,
    Shall soon do it's errand,
    And damme I'll swing the Ringleaders I warrant,
    I'll trim the young dogs, for thus daring to twine,
    The Myrtle of Venus with Bacchus's Vine."

    Apollo rose up and said, "Pry'thee ne'er quarrel,
    Good sing of the Gods with my Vot'ries below:
    Your Thunder is useless"--then showing his laurel,
    Cry'd "Sic evitable fulmen' you know!
    Then over each head
    My laurels I'll spread
    So my sons from your Crackers no mischief shall dread,
    While snug in their clubroom, they jovially twine,
    The Myrtle of Venus with Bacchus's Vine."

    Next Momus got up with his risible Phiz
    And swore with Apollo he'd cheerfully join-
    "The full tide of Harmony still shall be his,
    But the Song, and the Catch, and the Laugh, shall be mine.
    Then Jove be not jealous
    Of these honest fellows,"
    Cry'd Jove, "We relent since the truth you now tell us;
    And swear by Old Styx, that they long shall intwine,
    The Myrtle of Venus with Bacchus's Vine."

    Ye Sons of Anacreon then join hand in hand;
    Preserve Unanimity, Friendship, and Love!
    'Tis yours to support what's so happily plann'd;
    You've the sanction of Gods, and the Fiat of Jove.
    While thus we agree,
    Our toast let it be:
    "May our Club flourish Happy, United, and Free!
    And long may the Sons of Anacreon intwine,
    The Myrtle of Venus with Bacchus's Vine."

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    "Bar Tangled Manner"
    Lyrics By Someone In The "Broken Crayons" Punk-Rock Band (?)
    [ Retrieved From : http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=125916984& blogId=252634844 ]

    Thursday, April 12, 2007

    To Anacreon (The Bar-Tangled Manner) The Great Broken Crayons Lyric Sheet Project and Mechanical Cereal Experiment continued . . .

    To Anacreon (The Bar-Tangled Manner)

    Oh, say can you see, by the beer's neon light,
    Where so loudly we wailed at the twilight's last gleaming?
    Whose barmaids and guitars, through the drunkenest fight,
    O'er pool tables we watched, wildly kicking and screaming?
    And the robot's blank stare, the bums burping in hair,
    Gave proof through the night that our bag was still there.
    O say, does that bar-tangled manner still groove
    O'er the noise of the creeps and the foam of the booze?

    And where is that band who like drunk sailors swore
    That the havoc of rock drowned the babble's confusion
    At home in a country that loves us no more?
    The bleach has washed out new friend's old work's pollution.
    No record could soothe lost innocence and youth;
    Just the bright glow of night, or the smoky back booth:
    And the bar-tangled manner in triumph doth groove
    O'er the noise of the creeps and the foam of the booze.

    So we play it loud, though we can hardly stand
    Between songs I smell food someone bring me a sandwich
    Blest with pickles and cheese, please give the waitress a hand
    To navigate through you losers to the stage from her station.
    Then rock on we must, for our cause it is just,
    And this be our motto: "Sic evitable fulmen or bust."
    And the bar-tangled manner forever shall groove
    O'er the noise of the creeps and the foam of the booze!

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    On 2nd thought.....

    Never Mind !

    Robin "WHAT Was I Thinking?" Hickman
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    "All That Is Needed For Evil To Triumph Is For Good Men To Stand By And Do Nothing"


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    Dancing to the tune of the Star Spangled Banner? NEVER. But you are free to dance to the tune of "To Anacreon in Heaven."

    Curiously, you'll need to perform a different style of dancing depending on which one you choose. The "Star Spangled Banner" is set in 3/4 (waltz) time. However, the score for "Anacreon in Heaven" shown here on the Library of Congress site:

    To Anacreon in heaven / John Stafford Smith [print material]:Print Material Brief Display: Performing Arts Encyclopedia, Library of Congress

    is in 6/4 time, making it more like a march.

    It's also interesting that the actual melody for TAIH was somewhat different from the one we use now for the SSB. For example, the LOC copy shows that the opening phrase was two eighth notes and a quarter note, whereas the SSB has the familiar descending phrase with a dotted eighth, a sixteenth and a quarter. The TAIH version would sound rather strange to someone who's used to the SSB version.

    Apparently, early versions of the SSB used the TAIH score, or variations thereof. This version

    File:The Star-Spangled Banner.JPG - Wikimedia Commons

    which was published in Baltimore in 1814, has the opening phrase as a quarter, a dotted quarter, an eighth and a quarter, in 6/4, which would also sound very different from the way it's performed today. I wonder when and how the "modern" version was created. Are there any musical history experts out there?

    Peter Ansoff

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