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Old 02-17-2008, 06:37 AM
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Default Re: Flag burning vs. free speech

It's a tough one, definitely. I don't like the whole idea of flag burning myself, I agree with what the others said. It's pretty much an unsolvable issue.
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Old 02-18-2008, 08:03 PM
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Default Re: Flag burning vs. free speech

I think it is resolved.

Flag-burning is offensive but people must be free to make even the most offensive statements. That's the other price of freedom-- call it a surcharge-- putting up with the obnoxious things that other people sometimes do with it. Therefore, people must be permitted to be obnoxious in this fashion.

That is the resolution. It is not a perfect resolution, but it is a resolution and I, for one, hope that we the people have the strength to keep it.
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Old 04-25-2008, 12:10 AM
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I have a problem when I see people from other countries and (US citizens) burn an American Flag. It doesn't make any sense to me how someone from another country can come to the US and burn our flag while protesting. I saw a picture, which was taken in Los Angeles, Ca, where a male was burning an American Flag and was holding his country's flag high up in the air. I don't think this has anything to do with "Freedom of Speech", this guy, in my eyes, was disrespecting our country. I guarantee you, that if I went to this guys country and burned his country's flag, I would be shot to death. I feel that there is a difference between "freedom of speech" and disrespect.

Many people would say that this is why we are a great country and people should have the right to burn the flag. I totally disagree with them. Let's be realistic, many immigrants come to the US because their countries have a horrible government and have no opportunities. I have never seen anyone from another country come to the US and burn their countries flag. Even though their country was so horrible that they had to come to the US, they still have respect for their "Flag". Why do many Americans lack the pride?
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Default Re: Flag burning vs. free speech

cast - i agree with you.

i do believe flag burning is NOT free speech... and should therefore NOT be protected by the 1st amendment
flag burning is an action - that when done in public - is done purely to gain attention and offend and upset people. WHY on earth is THIS seen as freedom by some Americans???

its illegal to hurt other people physically so why shouldent it be illegal to hurt people mentally aswell?? that hurts just as bad - if not more
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Default Re: Flag burning vs. free speech

flag burning is NOT free speech... and should therefore NOT be protected by the 1st amendment

I disagree. (But, you knew that, right? {-: ). Burning an American flag is a political statement that most Americans (including me) strongly disagree with. However, this is a free country, and we do not prosecute people for making unpopular political statements. That is precisely what the First Amendment is there for.

WHY on earth is THIS seen as freedom by some Americans???

Because that's exactly what it is. Freedom of speech includes the freedom to say and do things that are politically unpopular -- it if doesn't mean that, then I'm not sure what it does mean.

its illegal to hurt other people physically so why shouldent it be illegal to hurt people mentally aswell?? that hurts just as bad - if not more

Oh, come on now. Burning a flag is upsetting and offensive to many people (again, including me), but we manage to carry on. I get far more upset with people who want to put an asterisk beside the First Amendment to fix a problem that doesn't exist.

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Old 05-08-2008, 03:24 PM
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Default Re: Flag burning vs. free speech

I agree with you that this is a free country and that our country doesn't prosecute people for making unpopular political statements. That's fine, but burning an American flag, in my eyes, it's just wrong. Seeing other people from other countries come to the US, waive their flag around and burn ours, it's just wrong. Burning an American flag shouldn't be protected by the first amendment. We are taught, in school, to salute and respect our flag. In ball games, we stand up and salute our flag. In my eyes, The American flag represents this great country we live in. The flag doesn't represent the (BS) politicians that sometimes slide under the cracks and make our country look bad. Don't mix the American flag with politics, Respect the great American Flag.
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Old 05-28-2008, 11:57 PM
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I guarantee you, that if I went to this guys country and burned his country's flag, I would be shot to death.
Depends on the country. There are countries of which this is true. America is not one of them and I aim to keep it that way.

I feel that there is a difference between "freedom of speech" and disrespect.
No, there isn't. If I were to say "you can't use racist epithets anymore," the same people who want to ban flag-burning would be up in arms. In fact, they fairly consistently freak out when I say "racist epithets are obnoxious," even though I absolutely do not believe they should be banned, actually for the same reason that we absolutely do not want flag-burning banned.

The First Amendment is not just a protection for good ideas. It's also a safety valve for bad ones. I mean, I've said before that those (bad) ideas are going to be out there and we can choose whether or not we want to know who subscribes to them, not so that we can prosecute thoughtcrimes, but so that we can keep an eye on them, which makes it much harder for them to put their their beliefs into practice.

However, it's more than that. Our system of government is based on two principles: majority rule _and_ minority rights. This is a key protection for domestic tranquility-- people holding minority political opinions must be allowed to express them-- if they cannot try to advance their views legally (even if no sane person will share those views), they will be much more likely to try to advance their views illegally, through violence. Let them shout on street corners or radicalize them and make them much, much more dangerous.

This country's Constitution is a very carefully thought-out document and we really ought to think about why the Framers put a protection in place before we decide that we don't need it.
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