[chrisper]

people are trying to take god out if the plage

[NAVA1974]

I would ask everyone who wants to take "God" out of the Pledge of Allegiance to divest themselves of all their coins and currency that say "In God We Trust" by giving it back to the government to reduce the national debt.

As you may know, the words "under God" were not in the original pledge. For info on the history of the Pledge please see The Pledge of Allegiance to the United States Flag

[REDefiant]

Yes, because the government borrowed that Godly money with interest. Surely that will solve our national debt problem.

[cal]

(late to the party, but wanted to respond)

In his Farewell Address, President Washington said the following: "[V]irtue or morality is a necessary spring of popular government . . . Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim tribute to patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness – these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. Let it simply be asked where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths, which are the instruments of investigation in Courts of Justice? And, . . . whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on the minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principles."


Indeed, Washington's word were prophetic. More and more as religion is ridiculed and the name of God is stricken from the public eye, the Nation's morality slides deeper and deeper into depravity and evil. Like liberalism!
Seriously though, how long can the Nation stand when the last vestiges of morality and God are lost to offensive legislation and political correctness?


"All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."

[Peter Ansoff]

Hello, Cal!

In a letter to a group of Presbyterian ministers in 1789, George Washington wrote:

"I am persuaded, you will permit me to observe, that the path of true piety is so plain as to require but little political direction. To this consideration we ought to ascribe the absence of any regulation, respecting religion, from the Magna-Carta [Constitution] of our country."

His point, which is still valid today, is that the government should not be involved in religious observances. As he said in the same letter, "To the guidance of the ministers of the gospel this important object is, perhaps, more properly committed."

the Nation's morality slides deeper and deeper into depravity and evil. Like liberalism!

Washington would not have agreed with your point of view. In two different letters written in 1790, he made the following points:

"As mankind become more liberal, they will be more apt to allow, that all those who conduct themselves as worthy members of the community are equally entitled to the protection of civil government. I hope ever to see America among the foremost nations in examples of justice and liberty."

"The citizens of the United States of America have a right to applaud themselves for having given to Mankind examples of an enlarged and liberal policy, a policy worthy of imitation. All posess alike liberty of consience and immunities of citizenship."

Washington and the other founders considered themselves to be liberals, and they viewed liberalism as an example that America should set for the world.

Peter Ansoff

[cal]

Hello Peter!

Yes, Washington would not have agreed with my poke at liberalism. Then again he certainly would not have approved of what liberalism has become.

Liberals in the days of the Founders were much different than the Progressives of today, who have reduced the term, "Liberal" into a four-letter word that even politicians now run from. Hence, the recent adoption of Progressives.

A Liberal, to Washington, was a champion of liberty.

Today, liberalism embodies a wide range of topics including; social justice, equal outcomes, welfare, income redistribution, political correctness, etc.

These are tools of social engineering, politics and buying votes. Today's liberalism doesn't have a damn thing to do with liberty.

[cal]

Peter,

In review, I wondered if your conclusion of Washington’s “point” could be solely based on his writing that, “..we ought to ascribe the absence of any regulation, respecting religion..” Which is certainly provided for in the Constitution.

I don't see how his statement can be taken as far as to say that, “..the government should not be involved in religious observances.”

Indeed, that seems to me to be two different subjects and a bit of a stretch. There is a vast difference between the Federal Government attempting to regulate religion and celebrating Hanukkah or lighting the Christmas Tree in Washington D.C.

I think if we could bring General Washington back, and give him a month to absorb today’s government, politicians and policies, he would certainly agree with me about the state of the national morality and modern liberalism.