[Robin Hickman]

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Hi, Nick !


TWO things :


#1 You're taking ALL the fun out of this thread for me!

#2 GOOD Show for doing the "Flag Significance" training for the Secret Service !


So, at least on this one, you "broke even" !


Robin
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[NAVA1974]

Robin:
"#1 You're taking ALL the fun out of this thread for me!"

I guess I'm just a professional party pooper.

"#2 GOOD Show for doing the "Flag Significance" training for the Secret Service !"

Thanks! Back in those days (early 1990's) the White House actually cared about unauthorized commercialization of the Presidential Seal and Flag. Nowadays you can buy just about anything with the Presidential seal printed, embossed, engraved, sewn, or embroidered on it and no one gives a hoot.

Nick

[Peter Ansoff]

I mean that is no better than having either a picture of Obma or Bush on the flag behind the bench if that trim means nothing. It does it is a disrespect for the Flag.

Glenn, would you please do us a favor and read the stuff that you cut-and-paste into your posts? The 1925 AG opinion said: "An external fringe is to be distinguished from letters, words, or emblematic designs printed or superimposed upon the body of the flag itself. Under the law, such additions might be open to objection as unauthorized; but the same is not necessarily true of the fringe." This says, in clear, simple English, that a fringe is not the same thing as a picture or slogan placed on the flag itself.

I have shown where by law it is illegal

Where have you shown this? Does it have something to do with Admiralty law? (-;

why is there a gold trim on the flag in our court rooms with staionary flags?

To enhance the beauty of the flag, and also to remind us of the heroism of our ancestors, who fought and died for us under fringed national colors.

Peter Ansoff

[Robin Hickman]

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I think that in Glenn_EG's last major post (8-14-2009) in this thread he pretty much acknowledges that the gold fringe is, in most cases, allowable on American (and other) Flags. I say that simply based on what he included in his posting.

As near as I can tell, he has cited three (3) exceptions where fringed Flags would NOT be acceptable: (#1) Flags flying from stationary flagpoles, (#2) Burial (interment) Flags, and (#3) U.S. Flags (and maybe others) on stationary flagpoles in courtrooms.

At this point, Glenn_EG doesn't seem to have a "problem" with either exception #1 or #2. He DOES, however, seem to still have a "problem" wth #3, fringed American Flags on stationary flagpoles IN courtrooms.

MY (unwritten) point in my FIRST posting on 8-18-2009, was that there is NO such thing as "stationary" flagpoles in courtrooms, or in any other rooms for that matter. All INDOOR flagpoles are usually somewhere between 6 and 9 feet tall and are placed in "holders". Thus, the poles are "portable" (moveable) and NOT stationary. Nick's reply that followed mine pretty much covered all of that pretty darn well.

My main point (written) was that Glenn_EG did not seem to have any idea as to what a "stationary" flagpole is.


See Ya Later, Alligator !


Robin Hickman

[Glenn_EG]

LOL
I was all ready to go into a big speach on this entire subject, then I had a eureka moment. I have stated my case with the laws and so on and legal defintions ect. Judicial. Legislative. Executive. Two things here. One, what law allows for the courts to make law? And two, state the law that alows the gold trim.

According to the Constution, there are 3 bodies of government and each body is responcable for its own duties and the duties are in no way combined meshed or muddled. I mean the Judical system has nothing to do with money. Neiher does the Executive. It is part of the Legislative. The Juding has nothing to do with the Legislative branch, or the Executive. Each branch of government is responcable for its own duties. So, somewhere there has to be a law that allows the courts to make law. Please quote it. That means somehwere there is a law that allows for the gold trim. Please state it.

Now, if you are going to quote a Millitary Law that allows the trim, I am a Civilan. Millitary law is not valid in a civilan court. If you are going to state court case for law, it goes back to my fist statement. State the law that allows for courts to make law. . If you can not do either then you have to admit that there is more to the trim than what is being shown or said. It is also that the gold trim is a compleate offence to any one who is a Patriot. It is a disrespect for the flag that should be taken more seriously.

[Greengo]

I am 62 years old and I have been seeing the gold or yellow trim on American flags sense I was in the first grade. To try and make something more out of this is going beyond reason. To me the flag of our country is a beautiful thing to behold. I would say the majorty of people who see the fringe don't give a crap to what "you" think it means. To me it always enhanced the looks of the flag. If you want to continue your case you are going to get a lot more responces like mine.

To me the the American flag means a country that was born in freedom and LIVES IN FREEDOM!!! The gold trim just enhances it looks when it is setting on a stage or in a courtroom or in a church. To make more out of it is like I said before, "going beyond reason".

Greengo

[Glenn_EG]

I am sorry that you think that way. I am sorry that you think it is ok for courts to make law. I am sorry you do not understand the seperation of powers that are in the constution.
Then again I am sure you would claim that a drivers liscence is a legal document. When in fact, using this same system you are claiming has the rights to make law, has laready determined that they are in fact an infrigment on our rights as a free people, free to travel without government restriction. And by this same system it has claimed that Federal immigration law is invald, ask California, prop 187.
So, please feel free to claim that the courts have the right to make law. And also consider that power was only vested in the Legislative branch of the government. And once you start to blur who can do what. Where does it lead? I mean right now the big thing in the news is this health care reform. In one opnion you get that this is the best thing sinced sliced bread, and in another you get this is just as bad as medicade. Well, if we were to stand on this idea that this is the best thing to happen to the plublic, then why are the congress people not willing to get into the program themselves? Where does it end when we allow the constution to be belittled and disrespected due to ignorance? Please as I had asked before, state the law that allows for the Judical system to make law. And age is no excuse for ignorace.
Freedom is not free. Citizenship is a respocablity. Knowing your rights is up to you and no one else. But listen when someone is trying to help. Do not turn a blind eye because, oh it enhances the flag. That is no reason to put anything on the flag.
Let me explaine this way, if I taught your children and you childrens children and so on that the sky is not blue and that that color is green. When would that become the truth? A lie from the begining can never be the truth no matter how many times or how hard you wish it were true.

[Robin Hickman]

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Hello, Glenn_EG,


Apparently you have been operating under the mistaken impression that we have to "prove" that you are "wrong" about the illegality of having gold fringe attached to the edges of an American Flag. We really don't have anything to "prove".

That's not why we are here. And besides, in your post (post #8 in this thread) on 08-14-2009, at 08:07 PM, you managed to scuttle your "ship" quite nicely.

Oh, I know you want to show us all how educated, knowledgeable, and clever you are about our government, our Constitution, "common" law, "admiralty" law, and all that other stuff you like to "cut and paste" into your entries.

And all that is well and good, but that's NOT why we are here.

You see, Glenn, this is the USA-Flag-Site, NOT the "usa-constitution-site", or the "usa-separation-of-powers-site", or the "usa-admiralty-law-site", et cetera.

This is the USA-FLAG-SITE.org, OK?

It's about the FLAG.


Now Glenn, if you really believe that having a gold fringe around the outside edges of an American Flag is "improper" or maybe even "illegal", that's fine. You are entitled to your opinion. Even though it may be "wrong", you're still entitled to have it.

But, please, if you're going to discuss your opinion about the Flag here, keep your discussion civil and "on-subject" because this is, after all, the USA-FLAG-Site, right?


On the other hand, if all you want to do is talk about what is, or is not, supposedly constitutional or legal according to common or admiralty law, or "activist" judges, or any other Alex Jones type of "conspiracy theories", you might be better off (and a WHOLE lot happier!) spending your time sharing with others over at www.infowars.com or its sister site www.prisonplanet.com.


Look on the bright side, Glenn. You have never been able to prove that having a gold fringe attached to the outside edges of an American Flag is illegal or even disrespectful. Not even once! Isn't that wonderful?


See Ya Later, Alligator !!!


Robin Hickman
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[Peter Ansoff]

According to the Constution, there are 3 bodies of government and each body is responcable for its own duties and the duties are in no way combined meshed or muddled. I mean the Judical system has nothing to do with money. Neiher does the Executive. It is part of the Legislative. The Juding has nothing to do with the Legislative branch, or the Executive.

This is nonsense. Each of the three branches has its own responsibilities, but they interact in all sorts of ways. Using your money example: the legislative branch establishes the budget, the executive approves the budget and spends the money, and the judicial adjudicates legal issues related to the expenditures, contracts, and the like.

somewhere there has to be a law that allows the courts to make law. Please quote it.

Courts do not make law. As far as I can see, nobody here (except you) has ever said that they do. Courts do, of course, interpret the law and establish precedents.

That means somehwere there is a law that allows for the gold trim.

That's generally not the way laws work. Laws don't "allow" things, they prohibit them. There is no law that says you're allowed to wear a red T-shirt, but that doesn't mean that red T-shirts are illegal.

It is also that the gold trim is a compleate offence to any one who is a Patriot.

Says who? The fringe enhances the beauty of the flag, and it is a reminder of the fringed colors that our ancestors fought and died under. That's why flags with fringes are proudly displayed in offices, auditoriums, schools, banks, legion halls, churches and courtrooms, and carried in parades and ceremonies by both military personnel and civilians. How is any of this unpatriotic?

Peter Ansoff