[vgott]

Hi, like all the rest can't find intro forum. I am looking to see how to clean yellow stains from the flag I received when my husband died, in 1989, saving it for my son. I am looking into getting it in a case, but when I looked at it recently, it was yellowed in the white areas. Very upset about this.

Can any one help? Would really appreciate this.

Vgott

[Clide]

Hello all , im new here so hi ! I just have one thing to say and get some feed back. I am prior service (Marine Corps) and i would like to know why my country lets people burn our flag and get away with it , this burns me to no end ! I think that there should be a law against this! I think it should be considered treason ! What do you think?

[Peter Ansoff]

Hello all , im new here so hi !

Greetings, Clide -- welcome to the forum!

i would like to know why my country lets people burn our flag and get away with it

Well, because freedom of speech is guaranteed by the First Amendment to our Constitution. The purpose of that amendment was to protect people who say and do things that are politically unpopular.

this burns me to no end ! I think that there should be a law against this!

It makes me pretty mad too, but I don't think that we should have laws against things just because they make us mad. And why should we outlaw it -- how does it threaten our society? The answer is that it doesn't. You could burn every flag in the country, and it would not weaken us a bit; we'd make more flags and carry on. I'd say the fact that we tolerate it makes us stronger -- it proves that we mean what we say about the ideals that our country stands for.

I think it should be considered treason !

Naah -- I think it should just be considered stupidity.

Semper Fi,

Peter Ansoff
(ex-USN, but I've worked with a lot of Marines -- fine folks!)

[bsa-pack 101]

Hey, I finally found the Introductions Forum. I'm Sheila and I'm a veteran Cub Scout Den Leader. I'm looking for some information for a Scout in my den. Hopefully, someone in here can help or direct me to someone who can.

A local business in our community flies a large and rather torn and tattered flag, high above the village we live in. My Scout has made mention of it's condition several times and wants to do something to replace it. Is there a program for Scouts to replace flags or donate one to the business? He would really like to do something for his community, but we cannot afford to purchase a large flag ourselves.

If anyone has suggestions or knows of a Scout program that would enable him to do this, please let me know. Any information would be greatly appreciated!!! Thanks!!!

Sheila

[Clide]

thanks for your reply , but i still think there should be a law against this. I think it is a slap in the face for those who has spilled blood for flag , and country .

[sonypoolplr]

Hi. I just joined the site because I was looking for a respectful way to dispose of old flags that are worn and tattered. I have to agree with Clide, while I "understand" about the freedom of speech thing and all that, we are talking about our flag, the symbol of our country. I just burns me up when I see it desecrated by burning it.

Oh well, I don't want to get into an arguement about it. Just wanted to say hello, but I had to add my .02.

[Peter Ansoff]

Greetings, Sony -- welcome to the forum!

we are talking about our flag, the symbol of our country. I just burns me up when I see it desecrated by burning it.

I think that most sensible people feel the same way. The thing that one needs to remember, though, is that (as you said), the flag is a symbol of something greater than a colorful piece of cloth. Ultimately, it is the symbol of a set of ideas that make the USA the great nation that it is.

The best expression of those ideas that I know of was written by a man named James Warner, a US Marine officer who was a POW in Vietnam. He wrote:

I remember one interrogation where I was shown a photograph of some Americans protesting the war by burning a flag. "There," the officer said. "People in your country protest against your cause. That proves you are wrong."

"No," I said. "That proves that I am right. In my country we are not afraid of freedom, even if it means that people disagree with us." The officer was on his feet in an instant, his face purple with rage. He smashed his fist onto the table and screamed at me to shut up. While he was ranting I was astonished to see pain, compounded by fear, in his eyes. I have never forgotten that look, nor have I forgotten the satisfaction I felt at using his tool, the picture of the burning flag, against him.

. . . Don't be afraid of freedom, it is the best weapon we have.

Senator Charles Robb, who was also a Marine and a Vietnam veteran, put it more formally in a speech in the Senate in 2000:

Mr. President, I am repulsed by any individual who would burn the flag of my country to convey a message of dissent. It is an act I abhor and can barely comprehend. But in the democracy that our forefathers founded, and that generations of Americans have fought and died to preserve, I simply do not have the right to decide how another individual expesses his or her political views. I can abhor those political views, but I cannot imprison someone for expressing them. That's a fundamental tenet of democracies and it is what makes America the envy of the world, as the home of the free and the brave.

The question is not how we feel about flag burning -- all sensible people are disgusted by it. The question is whether it should be made illegal. I firmly believe that the answer is "no." We have nothing to fear from the idiots who burn flags. The flag stands for freedom, and, as Mr. Warner said, freedom is the best weapon we have.

Peter Ansoff

[Honered Civilian]

Hello everyone! Glad I found this forum. I recently received a US flag and certificate from a life-long friend stationed in Baghdad. The flag was flown over the Sather Air Base in Iraq. The certificate states that the flag is specially for me at the request of my friend. I feel extremely honored.

I want to display the flag and as an amateur carpenter I want to make a custom frame/shadow box. But, before I break out the hardwood, router and glass cutter, I want to make sure that what I have in mind displays the flag with the honor and respect it deserves.

From what I have gathered from other sections of this forum and from other displays I have found on the web it is OK to keep the flag folded, but beyond that it gets a little fuzzy what the proper etiquette is. All of the displays I have seen have the flag positioned with the hypotenuse as the bottom... is this strict etiquette, or just coincidence?

What I have in mind is cutting a triangle on the left half of the frame so that the hypotenuse of the folded flag is to the right and the other two sides are parallel to the top and left sides of the frame. To the right of the hypotenuse I would place a couple of photos of my friend in military dress and to the right of that the certificate. This way the importance will go from left to right: Flag, Soldier, Civilian.

Is this appropriate.

Thanks!

Brian

[american_flag_uk]

wow! welcome to the forum!

what a wonderful gift! i am SUPER jeallous!

great too that you are considering the proper display on the flag

yes- the correct way to fold the flag is so it ends up in a triangle - hence why flag cases are triangular
you may display the flag traingle in whatever angle you choose

most tend to go with top
i made a flag case for a flag i have that flew over the US capitol - of course mine was a very amateur job! i hung it up on the wall and put the certificate directly below

brb ill edit this post later - i didnt realize the time----

[JLange]

Hey, Welcome. Here are about a dozen ways you can design a flag case. I have more options, but these are the most popular.

http://www.liberty-flag.com/flag-display-cases-105/

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