47 star flag please help !

Discussion in 'Flag Identification and Collecting' started by Kathryn, Apr 21, 2017.

  1. Kathryn

    Kathryn New Member

    Hello everyone , I'm new to the forum and I need help with an old American flag I just acquired from a local auction today. Here's few pics
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  2. Robin Hickman

    Robin Hickman Well-Known Member

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    Hello, Kathryn!

    Welcome to the USA-FLAG-SITE Forums!

    I hope you don't mind my asking, but... what kind of help do you need with your old 47-Star American Flag?

    http://s346.photobucket.com/user/hyppodiarytus/media/image_zps580bkvsi.jpeg.html?sort=3&o=0
    http://s346.photobucket.com/user/hyppodiarytus/media/image_zpsuuj382qg.jpeg.html?sort=3&o=1
    http://s346.photobucket.com/user/hyppodiarytus/media/image_zpsec0pcpky.jpeg.html?sort=3&o=2

    While the 47-Star Flag was never an "official" Flag of the U.S., there were a small number of "unofficial" ones made, mostly in the State of New Mexico to celebrate their Statehood on January 6th, 1912. New Mexico's Statehood (47th State) celebration was cut a little short by Arizona's Statehood a little over a month later on February 14th, 1912 (48th State). After Congress passed the Flag Act of 1818, Stars weren't added to the Flag until the next July 4th after the new state(s) were added. The "official" U.S. Flag when both New Mexico and Arizona joined the Union in early 1912 had only 46 Stars. On July 4th, 1912 the number of stars on the U.S. Flag "officially" changed to 48 so that both New Mexico & Arizona were represented.

    One of our Members here, Jeff Bridgman, is an acknowledged expert in the field of antique Flags and he has his own website. I don't know if he can help you or not, but it wouldn't hurt to ask, right?

    http://www.jeffbridgman.com/index.htm

    Here is a link to a 47-Star Flag that has been sold on Mr. Bridgman's site :

    http://www.jeffbridgman.com/inventory/index.php?page=out&id=30

    There are a few other pages regarding 47-Star American Flags in our forums. I don't know if you've had the opportunity to read any of them, but I'll see if I can post some links to some of them. Not all may pertain to your Flag, but one or more of the entries, comments, and replies just might!


    http://www.usa-flag-site.org/forum/threads/47-star-flag.9884/
    http://www.usa-flag-site.org/forum/threads/47-star-flag-question.1181/
    http://www.usa-flag-site.org/forum/threads/47-star-flag.9250/
    http://www.usa-flag-site.org/forum/threads/47-0r-48-star-flag.8786/


    I hope at least some of all this will help you out. Since I don't know what kind of help you were looking for, I kind of had to give you a "shotgun" reply. I hope you don't mind!

    Thank You for bringing your Flag related question to our Forum!

    Robin Hickman
    "Your Friendly Neighborhood Flag Man"
    Eugene, Oregon, USA.

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  3. Kathryn

    Kathryn New Member

    Hi, I posted the flag on eBay , with the old bicycle on the background, I examined it and there is signs that the flag has been altered , I bought it from an auction that always check their stuff.
    I was wondering about its value .
     
  4. Robin Hickman

    Robin Hickman Well-Known Member

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    Hello, again, Kathryn!

    Jeff Bridgman is probably your best bet for determining the value of your 47 (48?) Star Flag. One of our other long-time members who might be able to help you is "NAVA1974" (Nick A.). Nick is a past-president of the North American Vexillological Association (NAVA) and has a deep, abiding interest in all things "Vexillological" (related to Flags), including the use of fabrics and construction techniques in and for Flags. You can always send him a private message through this site and request his help. Nick frequently searches the older vintage/antique Flags on eBay and he might remember seeing yours!

    Whoever you request help from will want ALL available information you have about your Flag, and some clear, in-focus, photos of your Flag. The best photos for them would be ones that can show the close-up details of the Flag's construction, including the canvas "header" and its grommets (both sides, if you can), and the sewing/stitching used for the Flag's hems, stripes, and stars.

    Some close-up photos of where the 48th Star would normally be in your Flag's star configuration (placements) would be VERY helpful in determining if your Flag is a rare 47-Star Flag, or an "altered" 48-Star Flag.

    I hope you'll be able to find out more about your Flag and its value. Please let us know how it all turns out!


    Robin Hickman
    "Your Friendly Neighborhood Flag Man"
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