Discussion in 'US Flags on Uniforms and Clothing' started by EmailPoster, Jun 6, 2006.
We have a disagreement in our office....
American Flag as apparel
It is great to see that your employers wish to show their American pride. However, to display the flag on the back of a jacket along with their company is technically not appriate flag etiquette for a few reasons. First, according to the United States Code Title 4 Chapter 1 â€” The Flag section 8i, "the flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever". Also, according to section 8d, "the flag should never be used as wearing apparel" and in section 8g, "the flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature".
Maybe you could design a jacket with the company logo on the back and wear an American flag pins to show your pride and support our soldiers!
According to the Code, then, should ANYONE wear the Flag on clothing?
Does the Code say only Military, Police and Fire Fighters can wear a Flag on clothing?
is it appropriate to wear a dress made to look like flag material - meaning the whole dress has the flag pattern on it...???
Akfriend - welcome to USA flag site
My opinion is - yea it is absolutley fine - so long as it is not made from real flags!
The way I understand it as long as the clothing itself is not made of a whole or part of an actual American flag. I work for a wholesale company that also has several websites, the owner is very patriotic and one of the sites is actually Patriotic Clothing & Flag Shirts - Quality Patriotic Clotheswhich I don't have a problem with. As long as the shirts or clothing is tasteful obviously. . . .
Hello, ECVII !
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My opinion is that while depicting an American Flag, or some kind of version of it, on an article of clothing is probably "okay", using a REAL honest-to-goodness American Flag as an article of clothing is NOT.
The difference between a "depiction" (picture, photograph, artistic rendition, etc.) of an American Flag and a REAL American Flag is similar to the difference between a picture of me and the REAL ME.
Eugene, Oregon, USA
Respectfully, I have to disagree with you here. While I agree that I would rather have someone run over my photograph with their car than run over ME with their car, I can be equally offended by someone personally assaulting and cussing me out, or by placing malicious lies on a poster with my picture and placing them in public places or posting it on the internet for all to see. Indeed, internet and media slander can be far more devastating than a simple physical assault.
Specifically, relating to the Flag on clothing the Flag Code says:
"The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery." and " No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform."
That is pretty specific wording. In the first case I interpret that to mean an actual flag should not be used as clothing. The second case could be interpreted to mean any design with white stars on blue in conjunction with red and white stripes, however the prohibition is limited to costumes or athletic uniforms.
Any use of the flag that shows disrespect, whether it be graffiti on a 3x5 ft nylon flag with heading an grommets, or a picture of a flag used in an advertisement, is a violation of the Flag Code.
" No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform." . . . That is pretty specific wording.
True, and what's interesting about it is that there's no mention of showing disrespect -- it just says flatly that you are not supposed to do it. Taken at face value, it would apply to a person wearing an Uncle Sam outfit in a parade.
Any use of the flag that shows disrespect
The problem, of course, is that (as Justice Holmes said in the quote down at the bottom of my posts) disrespect is often in the eye of the beholder. How about Wonder Woman's costume -- is it disrespectful, or uber-patriotic?
I am still somewhat confused after reading all of the posts. May I, or may I NOT, wear a very respectful, patriotic T-shirt that has the American Flag on it?
You are confused because there is no clear-cut answer. The flag code specifically prohibits flags on a costume or athletic uniform. If your T-shirt is not a costume or athletic uniform, is there a problem?
totally agree with tmiller you should not have country's flag on your jacket at the back but you can have flag pin at the collar!
I am agree with NAVA 1974- Any use of the flag that shows disrespect, whether it be graffiti on a 3x5 ft nylon flag with heading an grommets, or a picture of a flag used in an advertisement, is a violation of the Flag Code.
The KEY Word In almost every sentence & paragraph in the "Flag Code", is the word, "SHOULD".
SHOULD, as in, "The Flag SHOULD always...", or, "The Flag SHOULD never..."
In my opinion, The Flag Code is a set of "guidelines" for us civilians and NOT a set of "commandments".
"Your Friendly Neighborhood Flag Man"
Eugene, Oregon, USA.
I was disappointed to see for sale at The Gap a t-shirt with the American flag on the front but with the letters GAP printed across the flag. It is clearly in violation of this code. I contacted customer service at The Gap and the rep whom I spoke to was unaware of this regulation. I explained it to her in detail & asked her to have the t-shirt pulled from the shelves & the online store. I have since written an email to The Gap & will also be writing to the CEO in an effort to have this either re-designed or be taken off the market. It's nice that The Gap wants to show their patriotism, but it would be even better if they didn't smack their company name across our great flag.
I have NOT seen that particular t-shirt.
I think almost all of the "American Flag" t-shirts I've seen have the Flag on the shirt and then the maker's/sponsor's name somewhere above or below the Flag, usually below.
HAPPY FLAG DAY !!!
"Your Friendly Neighborhood Flag Man"
Eugene, Oregon, USA.
Hi Robin, That's was I've usually seen as well. However, The Gap decided they would print large GAP letters across the flag. When I called customer service to voice my concern, they were completely clueless. Next time I see that t-shirt, I will check the label to see where it was made. Thanks for the response!
Is This the T-shirt you're talking about?
The colors in the "Union" are reversed so that it shows a white field with blue stars.
yup, thats's one of them. it comes in several colors.
it used to come in white, cream, navy, & black but now the website is only showing the white & the navy.
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