Indoor Flag Display Question

Discussion in 'US Flag Display' started by Minnie Knych, Feb 23, 2008.

  1. Minnie Knych

    Minnie Knych New Member

    I was recently told that we should NOT leave an American Flag displayed on a staff in the meeting room at the American Legion. The reason given was that it is not illuminated at night. I thought that the illumination of flags displayed at night was only required for outdoor display. Can anyone clarify?
    Can a flag be left permanently displayed in a meeting room?
    Thanks for your help.
     
  2. Peter Ansoff

    Peter Ansoff USA Flag Site Admin

    Hello, Minnie -- welcome to the forum!

    I was recently told that we should NOT leave an American Flag displayed on a staff in the meeting room at the American Legion. The reason given was that it is not illuminated at night. I thought that the illumination of flags displayed at night was only required for outdoor display. Can anyone clarify? Can a flag be left permanently displayed in a meeting room?

    Here is what the flag code actually says:

    "It is the universal custom to display the flag only from sunrise to sunset on buildings and on stationary flagstaffs in the open. However, when a patriotic effect is desired, the flag may be displayed 24 hours a day if properly illuminated during the hours of darkness."

    As you can see from the highlighted words, this applies to flags displayed outdoors on permanent staffs. You don't need to leave the lights on in your legion hall!

    Best,

    Peter Ansoff
     
  3. CLE ROX

    CLE ROX New Member

    Greetings from Toronto!

    I am a US citizen living in Toronto. This past Saturday evening, I attended an event at the General Motors Centre in Oshawa. I was pleasantly surprised to see a US flag hanging from the rafters opposite a Canadian flag. (I was told that this was because "Oshawa is a GM town.").

    However, the flag was displayed so that most patrons in the arena would see it such that the union was to the upper right (see attached photo). It is my understanding that the union is always to be to the upper left. In this case, I'm not sure what the protocol is given that it is indoors.

    At the Rogers Centre and the Air Canada Centre, the US flag is displayed horizontally, so this is not an issue at those venues.

    Could someone please advise on protocol in this case?

    Thank you!
     

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  4. Peter Ansoff

    Peter Ansoff USA Flag Site Admin

    Hi, CLE -- welcome!

    First of all, you are correct that when the flag is displayed against a wall (so that it's only visible from one side) the union should be to the viewer's left. This applies whether the flag is hung horizontally or vertically.

    However, your picture seems to show that the flag in the GM Centre is actually visible from both sides. In this case, the flag code says that the union should be to the north or east.

    It's interesting that the Canadian flag seems to be oriented in the opposite direction from the US flag. I don't know off hand what the corresponding etiquette for the Canadian flag would be.

    Peter Ansoff
     
  5. twigt

    twigt New Member

    Question: I realize that when a flag is being hung vertically, and can only be seen from one side, that the blue field should be to the viewer's left. I was under the impression (from somewhere) that the above also signalled if we were at peace or conflict. For instance: Blue to the left during peace and to the right during conflict when hanging vertically! Or does the blue field always stay upper left from the viewer's perspective???
     
  6. Peter Ansoff

    Peter Ansoff USA Flag Site Admin

    Welcome, Twigt!

    I was under the impression (from somewhere) that the above also signalled if we were at peace or conflict. For instance: Blue to the left during peace and to the right during conflict when hanging vertically! Or does the blue field always stay upper left from the viewer's perspective???

    The blue field is always to the viewer's left, regardless of whether the flag is displayed horizontally or vertically.

    There is no rule or regulation (that I'm aware of) that relates the manner of displaying the US flag to the state of war or peace. At least one other nation, the Philippines, does have such a regulation -- their flag is flown with the blue stripe up in peacetime, and the red stripe up in wartime.

    Peter Ansoff
     
  7. sportrocgirl55

    sportrocgirl55 New Member

    Can someone please tell me, I go to the Mississippi Riverkings games in Southaven, Ms at the DeSoto Civic Center. When the National Anthem is sung the DCC turns out all the lights, well, sometimes they take the spotlight OFF the American Flag and put it on the singer putting the Flag in total darkness. This irritates me to no end. When I asked about this I am given an attitude and told that they would have to tire another spotlighter and that won't happen. Someone please give me advice on how to handle this.
     
  8. Peter Ansoff

    Peter Ansoff USA Flag Site Admin

    Hi, Sportrocgirl -- welcome!

    When the National Anthem is sung the DCC turns out all the lights, well, sometimes they take the spotlight OFF the American Flag and put it on the singer putting the Flag in total darkness. This irritates me to no end. When I asked about this I am given an attitude and told that they would have to tire another spotlighter and that won't happen. Someone please give me advice on how to handle this.

    First of all, there is no legal requirement that the flag be illuminated -- it's customary and appropriate, but not mandatory. If you want the DCC to change its procedure, you'll need to convince them via some sort of publicity -- a letter-writing campaign to the DCC management, letters-to-the-editor in the local press, etc.

    It sounds as if there are two possible solutions for the DCC: buy another spotlight, or rearrange things so that the flag and the singer could be illuminated by the same spotlight. The first one is expensive (as you've already found out!), and the second one may or may not be practical depending on the configuration of the center. If you decide to pursue the issue, it would make sense to do some research first and come up with a practical suggestion as to what the DCC should do and where they should get the funding. I'd say that your chances will be much better if you offer a constructive alternative rather than just telling them that they're wrong.

    I hope these thoughts are useful. Please keep us posted on how the issue develops!

    Best,

    Peter Ansoff
     
  9. sportrocgirl55

    sportrocgirl55 New Member

    Thank you for your response. I found out that there are numerous spotlights that are used during other events during the games intermissions with two people on the spotlights. Also, it is up to the Mississippi Riverkings organization to use the spotlight. They are just being lazy which defines this organization. But its okay, I'm not the only one making a stink about it. I'm confident it will be taken care of in a respectful manner.
     
  10. phreeper

    phreeper New Member

    Good day folks:
    i'm looking at flying both the canadian and american flags at the entrance to our business as a show of respect and welcome to our american visitors. When entering which last is to the left and right????????
     
  11. american_flag_uk

    american_flag_uk Moderator

    Hi Phreeper

    I take it your in Canada then.

    looking towards your building with the flagpoles out front

    the Canadian flag goes to the left pole, and the Us flag to the right pole.
    This is the OPPOSITE of US flag code, because you are in a different country other than the USA, so you give the 'position of honor' to your own country
     
  12. veteransflagdepot

    veteransflagdepot New Member

    Displaying the Flag Indoors

    When on display, the flag is accorded the place of honor, always positioned to its own right. Place it to the right of the speaker or staging area or sanctuary. Other flags should be to the left.

    The flag of the United States of America should be at the center and at the highest point of the group when a number of flags of states, localities, or societies are grouped for display.

    When one flag is used with the flag of the United States of America and the staffs are crossed, the flag of the United States is placed on its own right with its staff in front of the other flag.

    When displaying the flag against a wall, vertically or horizontally, the flag's union (stars) should be at the top, to the flag's own right, and to the observer's left.
     
  13. Peter Ansoff

    Peter Ansoff USA Flag Site Admin

    When on display, the flag is accorded the place of honor, always positioned to its own right . . .

    This information is correct, but it applies when the flag is displayed in the USA. Phreeper's question dealt with the display of the US and Canadian flags in Canada. In that case, the display should follow Canadian protocol, which puts the Canadian flag in the place of honor.

    Peter Ansoff
     
  14. Mark Hines

    Mark Hines New Member

    I am a member of a color guuard and we are having a discussson dipping of flags during God bless america and the anthem set . we carry multiple flags The American the Irissh and the Papal flag then so on down the line to the divisoon flag. what is the protocol of dipping the flags during these songs
    thanks for the help?
     
  15. fast1

    fast1 New Member

    dipping of flags?[​IMG]
     
  16. american_flag_uk

    american_flag_uk Moderator

    Hi there

    fast1:
    The practise of dipping flags, is done by colorguard - that is people who are walking or marching, carrying large flags on staffs (like you might see at a sporting event for example)
    Dipping flags basically means the person holding the flag upright, will allow the top of the staff to move forward away from their body, and the flag, is now leaning forward from to person.
    Like this:
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    Mark
    In the case of taking out other nations flags onto the field, you wold NOT dip the flags.

    Reference to the US flag code
    'the flag of the United States of America; the flag should not be dipped to any person or thing.'
    We can extend that same respect towards flags of other nations as we have for the US flag, by not dipping their flags either.

    So - during the National anthem, and God Bless America (if the 2 are to be played in succession of eachother) the best thing to do I think would be for the US flag bearer, to raise his flag higher, and lower it once the songs are finished

    Hope that helps
     
  17. TheManWithTheStick

    TheManWithTheStick New Member

    I recall as a Boy Scout many years ago, and as a Boy Scout leader in the not so distant past, that when displayed indoors, if the flag is on the same level as the speaker (such as on a stage), then the flag is positioned to the speaker's right. However, if the flag is on the same level as the audience, then the flag is to be placed to the audience's right.

    I see on your main display page that you still list it this way, but someone recently told us at our church we were displaying it wrong (we are displaying it as indicated above).

    I just went to the Federal Citizen Information Center: Home Page website regarding flag display and it now simply states, "(k) ....When displayed from a staff in a church or public auditorium, the flag of the United States of America should hold the position of superior prominence, in advance of the audience, and in the positino of honor at the clergyman's or speaker's right as he faces the audience..." It no longer mentions whether the flag is on the same level as the speaker.

    Researching further, I found at ushistory.org a section regarding flag rules and regulations that reiterates what is stated in the website above but with an additional sentence, "Please note that the old guidelines differed from this updated and simplified one."

    I guess my question is, should I leave the flag to the right of the audience since it is on the congregational floor, or should I move it to the pastor's right?

    Thanks.
     
  18. Peter Ansoff

    Peter Ansoff USA Flag Site Admin

  19. TheManWithTheStick

    TheManWithTheStick New Member

    Thanks for the response. After I submitted my question, I wandered around the forum and found it had already been discussed rather extensively, but when I went to amend my post, it didn't show up anywhere. I assumed it had to be cleared by a moderator before it would display.

    Again thanks. Will certainly let the church know it is time to move them.

    As an aside, is someone planning to revise this website to avoid further confusion? http://www.usa-flag-site.org/etiquette-display.shtml
     
  20. Peter Ansoff

    Peter Ansoff USA Flag Site Admin

    As an aside, is someone planning to revise this website to avoid further confusion?

    Yes. My eventual goal is to have a complete, current version of the flag code there, along with commentary and annotations that address many of the issues from the forum. One of these days . . .

    Again, welcome, and I hope you enjoy the forum!

    Peter Ansoff
     

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