We Are Under Distress

Discussion in 'US Flag Display' started by cindykohl, Jul 24, 2009.

  1. cindykohl

    cindykohl New Member

    I'm asking everyone who reads this and for everyone to spread the word....

    We are at risk for loosing more of our liberty and American lives could be lost
    if the current administration succeeds in passing of the legislation it is working on. Our elderly are at risk for being not cared for and pushed aside. Our liberty is at risk as we are being forced into unwanted taxes to pay for those who don't contribute! NOW is the time to start speaking up!

    DISSENT is not racism, it is American. Don't let all those who have given their lives have died in vein as we sit by and watch these things happen to our great country!

    May God have mercy on us.
  2. NAVA1974

    NAVA1974 Active Member

    Dear cindykohl,
    You have correctly noted that flying the flag of the United States upside down has become a symbol of protest. And while you are free to express your opinion on this forum, as guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution and supported by our men and women in uniform serving under our flag, members' remarks should not advocate political action. Keep in mind that this is an educational forum.

    Besides, many Americans believe that God had mercy on us by delivering us from George Bush.
  3. Gold Star Mom

    Gold Star Mom New Member

    I was curious about the "upside down" flag. There is a group that does their own little protest in my town. I felt like they were disrespecting our troops. I am a Gold Star Mom so, before I gave them my "thoughts" I wanted to make sure what I was talking about. SO, is this OK or not??? Thank you!
  4. NAVA1974

    NAVA1974 Active Member

    Dear Gold Star Mom,

    I believe that protesters who fly the US Flag upside down are intentionlally showing disrespect to the flag and to the nation, so it is not "OK" - is it most definately improper behavior and in bad taste, and it violates the United States Flag Code which specifies that the flag is only to be flown upside down as a sign of distress (ie your ship is sinking, not that your tax dollars happen to fund government expenditures that you do not agree with.)

    The United States Supreme Court, however, has decided that it is within the protester's Constitutional right to do pretty much what they please with the flag, including flying it upside down or burning it (or making it part of an "art" exhibit where viewers must step on the flag to register their opinions of the exhibit.:mad: )

  5. PRGringo

    PRGringo Member

    While it is not on par with shouting "FIRE" in a theater, I think it is a silly way to protest. The act itself is an affront to those of us who respect he country but it is one of the basic rights that every American has to express their opinion.

    Those who serve in our armed forces understand the true meaning of serving our country. Those who fly the flag upside down can only mean to disrespect America. They do it because they can and they know that they can do it because the writers of the constitution wanted all people to be allowed to voice their opinion. Unfortunately, the writers never believed that people would be disrespectful of the republic they were creating. Dissenting...yes. Disrespectful...no. Being disrespectful of America serves no one in a positive way.
  6. DoorGunner26808

    DoorGunner26808 New Member

    As a former member of the the Armed Forces, (1995-2005) I do understand what it means to serve my country. I have shed blood sweat and tears in defense of what my country stands for. I know of friends and comrades that have made the ultimate sacrifice in defense of what my country stands for. As it stands, I am back in Iraq as a civilian now, doing whatever I can to keep our Service Members (my brothers and sisters in arms) in the fight. To fly the flag upside down is not a sign of disrespect. It is a signal for distress. Most of the "protesters" you see flying the flag upside down believe, just as I do, that our country is in distress. I do not feel that they are flying it upside down to disrespect anyone, but to get America's attention. To burn it in protest is disrespectful. My suggestion to anyone is to do some research before you pass judgement any person or group. The United States Code, Title 36, Chapter 10, Statute 176, paragraph a states that "The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property." While this can be on par with "shouting Fire in a theater", I believe that our country on it's present course is causing danger to both our way of life, and our property. Take a step back, open your eyes, and look around you at what is going on. And while you're at it, get into the history books, as history tends to repeat itself...

    It is not disrespect, it is a message.
    Last edited: Mar 24, 2010
  7. Gold Star Mom

    Gold Star Mom New Member

    This message is for DoorGunner26808. Thank you for your input. I do keep my eyes & heart open. It's just that when I first saw our flag flown upside down...well, I got really angry. So, I came to the Flag Forum to get "educated" on this matter. I did get to "hear" the protestors "side"...although brief. I still feel strongly about flying our flag in the proper position. Thanks again for your opinion and thank you for your service as well.
  8. picomanning

    picomanning New Member

    I'm 58. A Viet Nam era vet. My grandfather fought in Europe WWl. My father was a marine in the South Pacific, 1st Marine Division, WWll. I'm motivated by my Christian faith. I read history. I understand the intentions of the founding fathers. I understand sound economic theories. I also understand that America is in very big trouble. It seems appropriate that Americans who love this country who feel that we are in grave danger fly the flag upside down. We must acknowledge that our nation is seriously sick! We are in distress! I will fly my flag upside down and will be happy to ask my neighbors to do the same.
  9. Greengo

    Greengo Member

    Why do people always want to desrespect the flag of our country? You would think that a vet would know better. You say we are in destress: Do you "not" walk down the street in freedom? Do you "not" have the right to vote for whoever you want? So do it!!! Just a few freedoms we have because we are Americans and have fought for the right to "FLY THAT FLAG WITH PRIDE". Don't show desrespect to the flag that millions have died for. Another freedom, you also have the right to desrespect the flag. That doesn't mean you have to. Think about it........
  10. NAVA1974

    NAVA1974 Active Member

    HEAR, HEAR! :)

    I often point out that millions of Americans have fought, and many died, to procure and protect our freedoms. While that freedom allows us to disrespect our flag, as Americans we have a greater responsibility to honor it.

  11. Robin Hickman

    Robin Hickman Well-Known Member


    We should do our best to always remember that PATRIOTISM and POLITICS are two separate and VERY different ideas.

    We should always do our best to NEVER confuse one with the other.

    We should always do our best to kindly and gently help "educate" others who have confused POLITICS with PATRIOTISM.

    Believe it or not, right now I am doing my best to have "kind and gentle" thoughts about those mis-guided souls who have purposely confused POLITICS with PATRIOTISM and condone disrespecting the National Ensign of the United States of America by flying it "upside-down" for the sole purpose of making a POLITICAL POINT. :mad:

    Okay. So maybe I'm NOT doing my best to have kind and gentle thoughts. But that's okay, too, because I'm a registered independent voter. :rolleyes:

    SIGH . . . . . :cool:

    Robin Hickman :D
    Eugene, Oregon, USA
  12. 76patriot

    76patriot New Member

    Under the progressives in government today...our nation and our Constitution are being dismantled. This is certainly a time that justifies flying OUR flag upside down...I support the people who are brave enough to show real patriotism!
  13. NAVA1974

    NAVA1974 Active Member

    The United States Constitution was written and adopted to provide for a strong central government that the former Articles of Confederation did not give us. The "progressives" are currently reaching for their goal to "promote the general welfare" for all Americans, not just those who can afford it.

    But this is a forum about the flag, and as I have stated before, our flag stands for the freedom we have to disrespect the flag by flying it upside-down, but it also stands for the greater responsibility we have to treat it with respect by flying it properly.
  14. 76patriot

    76patriot New Member

    NAVA1974...you are entitled to your OPINION...as misguided as it is. I respect the flag and our nation. Dear Americans, continue to fly OUR flag with respect and to show the distress OUR nation is in. Upside down is appropriate during these times.
  15. Greengo

    Greengo Member

    You never disrepct the flag. You are the one who is misguided. When you fly the flag upside down, you are kicking our founding fathers in the face. If you don't like the present goverment, go to another country. See if things are any better there. If you want change, vote for it. WE STILL HAVE THAT FREEDOM!!!!! Leave the flag out of it. Millions died so you could have a flag. When you disrepct it you are spitting on all those graves. Think about it!!!

    Iv'e said my piece. If you have no respect for the flag, I give up. I have been on this forum for a year and all I see here now are a bunch of people who have no idea what it means to show respect for something. If you don't like this country, get out and don't let the door hit you in the backside.

    This forum has become a bad joke. I'm gone.
  16. 76patriot

    76patriot New Member

    Greengo....We will vote and take this country back, then the folks who turned their flags...will return them to the place of respect. The current impostor president does not respect this country...demeaning it while on foreign soil is just one example...he is a disgrace....how can you be proud of the worst and most anti-American president in history!
  17. Greengo

    Greengo Member

    When you fly the flag upside down you are no better than the a-holes in other country's that stomp on and burn the flag of our country. Leave the flag alone, vote for a new President, or get the hell out. The only thing that is in distress in this country, is the small minded people that can't tell the differance between patriotisim and politics.

    Moderators, please take my name of the rouster of this forum. This is turning into a joke of a forum. What happen to respect the flag?
  18. NAVA1974

    NAVA1974 Active Member

    I belive the forum should be open to all who have a sincere interest in the Flag of the United States, its history, and proper use, and not to those who want to jump in and hijack the forum for political discussions.
  19. 76patriot

    76patriot New Member

    You cannot separate the flag and politics. Politics define a nation (as bad as that is sometimes). Why do you think this country was started! The "politics" of England were over taxing the colonists....see any similarities? Declaration of Independence...Governments are instituted among Men; deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends; it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it; and to institute new Government.
  20. NAVA1974

    NAVA1974 Active Member

    Hmm, I thought that is what happened in November of 2008. We are now living under that duly elected government.

    No one is asking you to agree with the policies of the current government. Just recognize that it has derived its powers with the consent of the majority of the governed. Not all the governed, but a majority. But once elected, we all have a duty to support and respect our government, our country, and its flag. You change things at the ballot box, not the flagpole.

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