Were there 52 states?

Discussion in 'American Flag History' started by EmailPoster, Jun 6, 2006.

  1. Peter Ansoff

    Peter Ansoff USA Flag Site Admin

    Greetings, Kat -- welcome to the forum!

    It's really strange how widespread this "52 states" story is. Do you recall what grade level your test was at, and where the school was located? The story seems to be very prevalent outside the USA. I did a Google search on "52 states" a while ago, and found references to it as widespread as Iceland and New Zealand.

    Of course, I bet that most Americans couldn't tell you (without checking) how many Canadian provinces there are.

    Peter Ansoff
     
  2. Torang HENG

    Torang HENG New Member

    From Cambodia, the site of Preah Vihear Temple- recent world heritage!

    Hi everyone!

    It did confuse me to hear whether there were 50 or 52 states in America. It brings me to this forum when I am looking for sure answer for my Dad about existing states. Guess what?! I found firstly 51 states. Idiot?! Ok, I finally can answer that there have been ony 50 states. I found the in-transit result from each states which consist of 51 zones included a district of Colombia. There is one zone plus over 50 states posted. And for 52 states you heard, I thing the 52nd zone is just Peurto Rico-an island in the Caribbean Sea, southeast of the US state of Florida. Population: 3,937,000 (2001). Capital: San Juan. People who live in Puerto Rico are US citizens, but Puerto Rico is not a US state and it governs itself. Many people from Puerto Rico go to live and work in the US. It was a colony of Spain from 1509 to 1898, and most people speak Spanish as their first language.

    I now agree there are 50 states!

    Khmer,
    Torang
     
  3. Torang HENG

    Torang HENG New Member

    Hi,

    Let me add some missing point.

    The in-transit result I meantioned is about the US election. It tells us the number of polls from each state. Then 51 zones from 50 states and a distirct of Colombia.

    Khmer,
    Torang
     
  4. Peter Ansoff

    Peter Ansoff USA Flag Site Admin

    Greetings, Torang! Welcome to the forum!

    You may be right that people somehow count the District of Columbia and Puerto Rico to come up with "52 states." Of course, the USA also has four other territories besides Puerto Rico: The US Virgin Islands, Guam, American Samoa and the Northern Mariana Islands. The citizens of the 5 territories do not vote in US presidental elections, but they have party primaries.

    The District of Columbia is the cite of the national capital (Washington, DC), and its citizens *do* vote in presidental elections. However, they do not have voting representatives in Congress.

    Could you tell us a little about the flag of Cambodia? Do many private citizens use the Cambodian flag, or is it primarily used by government offices?

    Again, welcome!

    Peter Ansoff
     
  5. Torang HENG

    Torang HENG New Member

    Peter,

    The flag of Cambodia seemed to be changed or innovated due to different regimes. This may be depended on each leader, respectively.

    On 30 June 1993 the old 1948-1970 flag has been reestablished as today flag of Cambodia. However, it has been changed the outline of Angkor Wat symbol, which printed at the middle of the flag, from red to black.

    The flag of Cambodia consists of three horizontal stripes - the top and bottom stripes are blue and of equal size; and the center stripe is a larger red one with a white emblem representing the towers of Angkor Wat in the middle of it.

    The blue color symbolizes the country's royalty, the red represents the nation, and the white represents the religion, beginning with Brahmanism, and the current major religion is Buddhism. The emblem of the temple represents the structure of the universe.

    Pls find the uploaded attachment

    Best wishes,
    Khmer-Torang
     

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  6. Peter Ansoff

    Peter Ansoff USA Flag Site Admin

    Cambodian Flag Use

    Thanks, Torang!

    Here in the USA, the national flag is widely used, not only by the military and the government but also by private citizens. It is very common for ordinary citizens fly US flags on their houses, autos, boats, etc. Is this also true in Cambodia?

    Best regards,

    Peter Ansoff
     
  7. Torang HENG

    Torang HENG New Member

    Peter,

    I am sorry that I missed your question about flag utilization.
    You are absolutely right! Cambodia flag is commonly used by ordinary citizens. They people can fly it wherever you mentioned; however, we rarely seem to see Cambodia flag flown on the house other than ministries or govermental sites. This may be commonly due to the way they treat their nation or 1975-1979 Cambodia civil war. However, it has been better from day to day and nation-respect starts growing. For example, there are a big contribution from Cambodia not only food but also supports when recent Khmer-Thai cross-border dispute occurs.

    Alright, let me know if I were not answering your question.

    Khmer,
    Torang
     
  8. sjarrett

    sjarrett New Member

    Thanks for the information! I most defenitley will go with the statement that there are only 50 states of America.
     
  9. j green

    j green New Member

    okay on the whole thing about the "52" states and how this story got around-i've been laughing so hard my eyes are hurting-because my son was told a few years ago by one of his schoolteachers that America has 52 states-my husband and i came unglued and then wondered how in the world anyone-a teacher of all people-could think that-i don't know-but i've had several people ask me about the last "2" states and i tell them to count the stars on Old Glory and then give me the answer to their own question. i've even had people upset w/me because i told them Washington DC is not a state, kudos to the one who asked the question here on the forum and for taking the information very well-some people refuse to. as far as my son's knowledge on the states, well it took us awhile to convince him that there are only 50 states.
     
  10. Husker

    Husker New Member

    Even Barack Obama has trouble with how many states there are:

     
  11. Peter Ansoff

    Peter Ansoff USA Flag Site Admin

    Even Barack Obama has trouble with how many states there are

    Sounds to me like it was just a slip of the tongue -- he meant "47" instead of "57." He was saying that he'd been in all but one of the contiguous states, which don't include Alaska and Hawaii.

    Peter Ansoff
     
  12. Micah

    Micah New Member

    I guess the biggest issue that I have is not with people visiting from other countries or living in other countries not knowing how many states make up this Great Country, but with people who were educated here not knowing that there are only 50 states (48 contiguous). That to me is inexcusable, either that they were never taught this fact, or that they never bothered to learn it. I think that this myth is formulated from people who think that Puerto Rico and Guam/or Washington D.C. are 51 and 52....HOW RIDICULOUS is that?! Yes, I understand that they can vote on certain issues/candidates, however they have not been inducted into our union of states, and they don't really pay taxes to the federal government, however receiving many of the benefits of statehood. Why would they want to be an official state, when they get all of the benefits, but don't have to pay up for it...

    On a side note.....If Obama misspoke...that is a serious blunder, because he of all people the President of the United States should know it. Now if Dan Quayle, Dick Cheney, GW, said that, they would be crucified by the press to no end. It is time that we wake up to the fact that we need leaders in Congress and On the Bench, and in the WH who know the facts, and are willing to stand up to those groups or things that threaten our Constitution. Don't get me wrong, there are some great people in Congress at this time, both Democrat and Republican. This is not about partisan, but about the survival of our nation's founding principals.

    I do think that this topic raises a point, that it is interesting how they could either change the history books to reflect this myth, and in a few short years, you can even find it popping up in TV shows, Movies, etc. It is quite frightening how many have just accepted this blatant myth....think about how they could rewrite history to suit their purposes.....the founding fathers didn't believe in God, they wanted the Gov to run every part of their lives, for the betterment of the disadvantaged....subtle changes will cascade into judges interpreting the law from a certain race's, certain monetary class, etc. They are not there to take into account circumstances, but to judge the case purely upon the law.

    Ok, enough rants.....I really like this site...and I really like that so many people from other countries have contributed.
    thx
    Micah
     
  13. j green

    j green New Member

    To Micah,

    Concerning your take on the mythical "52" states, all I can say is "RIGHT ON!" It was very well put. It is scary that this information is just floatin' around and that it is bound to lurk over our history books.
     
  14. Peter Ansoff

    Peter Ansoff USA Flag Site Admin

    .....If Obama misspoke...that is a serious blunder, because he of all people the President of the United States should know it.

    Aw, c'mon now. It was a simple slip of the tongue. I'm sure that all presidential candidates are very clear on how many states there are!

    I do think that this topic raises a point, that it is interesting how they could either change the history books to reflect this myth, and in a few short years, you can even find it popping up in TV shows, Movies, etc. It is quite frightening how many have just accepted this blatant myth....think about how they could rewrite history to suit their purposes.....

    Naah. It's just a silly bit of nonsense that cropped up someplace -- anyone who can look at a map and count to 50 knows that it's not true. I don't think we need to worry about the history books. And, anyway, whose "purposes" would be served by trying to convince people that there are 52 states?

    Peter Ansoff
     
  15. Micah

    Micah New Member

    Pete,
    I am not saying that someone would have motive for trying to convince people that there are 52 states and changing the text books to reflect that, however what I am saying is that if a large portion of people will believe this, even if they feel that it was wrong at the beginning, the more it is repeated, it will become even stronger than fact. In otherwords, 2+2=4....well if some respected Math Professor said, actually it =5, and enough popular actors, actresses, news people, radio personalities, and politicians started to accept it, and repeat it on their venues...in a few years, it is possible (not probable) that we may just need to change the text books. Again, math is something that is not normally subjective...but they have made history subjective, basically by saying that your guy lied....mine didn't so you need to believe me.
    When we have judges who think it is their duty to judge based on their life, circumstances, experiences, aquaintences, etc, we have a big problem. The writing of the laws should take this into account, not the judicial branch. But we have this mindset that is now accepted that we have to look at every angle....why did that Japanese gentleman hit that Chinese gentleman....is it a hate crime? They don't like each other that much based on their family histories......hmmmm hate crime? could be (by today's standards).

    I remember about 10 or more years ago, the Oakland School Board (in California) decided to introduce an alternative to English for Black People...Ebonics. I was quite pleased that the loudest outcry was from the Black community (I mainly heard middle class families more often than not). They were extremely offended that something like this was devised to hold them back, or to show that they could not actually learn to speak in Proper, professional english. That said, I come to my point....I know, I know getting there....Now in California and in certain school districs, (it doesn't seem to be an across the board test), there are tests which ask questions about living in impoverished conditions, or from a standpoint....the problem with this is that it pits one group against the other. They want to say that minorities can't relate....I am sorry, they can, and they do, every day. But this is similar to the reasoning behind Ebonics, they need special educational help....(when they really don't).

    This was only 10 years ago, and now in the Bay Area, it seems that it is almost fact now, that they do need a different test for the high school exit exam because of their upbrining. (I thought it was supposed to test you on what you have learned at school....

    Pretty soon, we will find out that the founding fathers were not the good decent men we admire, but greedy white rich land owners who wanted slaves, and tricked the little guy into fighting a war that they did not understand the reasoning behind.

    Pick up a copy of a high school history book, and see if anything seems out of place, askew for the last 600 years. The scary thing is, that if the book says it, even if it is wrong, some teachers will teach it....maybe because they accept it with out any question (very dangerous), or they don't want to take the time to point it out, research it, because it is soooo much easier to keep it under wraps, the students won't notice......

    Sorry it is 3am...and I am afraid that my sentences and thought patterns are at a stage that are unreliable at best.....:)


    thank you for the replies....
    Micah
     
  16. Robin Hickman

    Robin Hickman Well-Known Member

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    Hello, Micah, and welcome to our forums!


    I've read your posts on this site and a question immediately came to mind :

    Micah, WHY are you HERE ???


    Robin Hickman
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  17. Micah

    Micah New Member

    Why am I here in this forum? Originally it was because I wanted to know where some people had come up with the '52' states.

    It sounds as if I have offended you. I apologize for that. I will refrain from any further postings.

    Thank you,
    Micah
     
  18. Robin Hickman

    Robin Hickman Well-Known Member

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    QUOTE : "Why am I here in this forum? Originally it was because I wanted to know where some people had come up with the '52' states. It sounds as if I have offended you. I apologize for that. I will refrain from any further postings."


    No ,Micah, you did NOT "offend" me !!!

    (And even if you did, so what?)

    I'm ONLY ONE person out of the many who are members here or the many times more who visit this site.

    While I may disagree with some of the things you've written, or the way you wrote them, I am NOT of the opinion that you should "refrain from any further postings".

    I am, however, curious as to "why" you are here. What was it that brought you here? Did you Google, "52 States"? If you did, then you'd know that we were only second on the results page. Yahoo Answers is #1 out of over 47,000 pages.

    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080906191651AAoHwdL


    All kinds of people visit here for all kinds of reasons, most of which are connected in some way to the American Flag. Most of them look through the various threads and posts and leave without anybody knowing they were ever here.

    But a few of them, from time to time, have a question or concern they'd like to have addressed so they join and start a thread or add a reply to someone else's thread.

    BUT.....

    The truth is, hardly anybody ever joins this website's forums and marks the occasion by launching into a long, laborious rant.

    When that DOES happen, I get curious and want to know, "why".


    So you see, Micah, you did NOT offend me. You just piqued my curiosity, that's all. So there's really no reason for you to apologize. :cool:

    It was most certainly NOT my intent to offend you or scare you away. If my first post here gave you that impression, then I apologoze to you.

    You are more than welcome to post here.


    Robin Hickman
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  19. NAVA1974

    NAVA1974 Active Member

    Did anyone notice that this one thread has over 42 THOUSAND hits??!!!??
    Is it because this is such a common mistake that people are looking to verify / repuduiate this burning question about our nation's composition? Or is it because the "O" word was used? [O_ba_ma]
     
  20. Robin Hickman

    Robin Hickman Well-Known Member

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    ONLY 42,429 Views ???



    Is that all ???



    We'll have to do something about THAT !!!


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