Why does the American flag have a gold fringe?

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  1. MidnightDStroyer

    MidnightDStroyer New Member

    From what I've seen by reading links mentioned throughout this thread & researching specific citations from court cases, the gold fringe doesn't indicate military jurisdiction...It's the Law that indicates jurisdiction. However, to further elaborate, I must also point out that the Constitution itself does establish military courts. However, in court citations where some people have tried to challenge the court's jurisdiction have run into one common flaw in their approach...They first off submit to the court's jurisdiction (become plaintiff or defendant) before they can bring suit to challenge that jurisdiciton! Some court citations are quoted at Court Cases on Yellow Fringed Flags

    However, I've also read a first-hand witness account posted at Man declares sovereignty, challenges jurisdiction of court, page 1\' where this man refuses to properly enter into the court's "enclave" of jurisdiction & successfully challenged the court's jurisdiction to attempt prosecution. This is quoted from the link in this paragraph in this post:
    "Jurisdiction is based upon Law, and not upon flags or 'signs.' In addition, "the plaintiff or anyone else who has filed" an action in a military court, is voluntarily submitting himself to the court's jurisdiction. To go to a military court, and enter into a 'contract' with that court, then argue one is not under its jurisdiction, is, of course, frivolous. Since scripture forbids going to courts of law, plaintiffs and litigants are forsaking God's Law, and are thus under man's law. "It is an elementary rule of pleading, that a plea to the jurisdiction is... a tacit admission that the court has a right to judge in the case, and is a waiver to all exceptions to the jurisdiction." 6 Bush Ky.8."

    From this, it's not the gold fringe itself that designates any particular jurisdiction. The flag itself could merely be denoting the particular "enclave" in which it stands, which denotes the practical boundaries in which the court has jurisdiction. One of our Sovereign Citizens' Rights (not specifically enumerated in the Constitution itself, but upheld by the Supreme Court) is the unlimited ability to enter into contracts...But this also includes the Right to NOT enter contracts. The man's refusal to enter into the courtroom proper is a determination of his REFUSAL to enter into contract with the court & submit to its jurisdiction.

    So, this quote indicates that, not only are the courts exercising the Constitutionally-established jurisdictions, but also indicates that one cannot argue that jurisdiction after submitting oneself to that jurisdiction. The only successfully-challenged cases while inside the court's jurisdiction involve whether the specific charges brought to the defendant can be proscecuted under Common/Constitutional Law, Admiralty/International Law or Civil Law. Bringing suit to court cannot apply the laws of one jurisdiction to affect persons/properties under a different jurisdiction.

    In essence, the plaintiff/defendant can successfully challenge the charges if the precise jurisdiction is questionable. Civil cases cannot be tried as a Criminal case, because only Common Law has jurisdiction over Criminal cases: Criminal cases include only when one person has violated the Rights of another person or his property, whereas Civil cases fall under the UCC & other Laws of Equity & Admiralty cases are only concerned with Military & International Law.

    I may not be much in researching Flags...I haven't really spent much time on the topic of flags, but I have been researching law for the past several months. Between the links posted previously in this thread, plus looking into law is what got this info for me. ;)
     
  2. Peter Ansoff

    Peter Ansoff USA Flag Site Admin

    Please Read Before Posting In This Thread

    Dear fellow forum members,

    Several posters in this thread have cut-and-pasted and paraphrased material from web sites dealing with the so-called "Sovereign Citizen" movement. This material is apparently designed to show why "sovereign citizens" don't have to obey laws, have drivers' licenses, pay taxes, etc. It consists mostly of incoherent, pseudo-legalistic gobbledygook and document citations that are faked or taken out of context. Needless to say, people who have tried to use such "arguments" in real court cases have not had very much luck.

    More to the point, most of the stuff in these posts has nothing to do with the purpose of this forum, which is to discuss the American flag, other flags and related topics. We welcome all points-of-view here, and we've had some pretty lively discussions, which is good. However, there is no purpose to be served by endless regurgitation of the same nonsense, and there are plenty of other web sites where folks can go if they enjoy that sort of thing. Any future posts that include this kind of material will be deleted or edited as appropriate.

    And -- PLEASE don't keep posting that fake quote from Executive Order 10834 about the gold fringe on US flags! There is NOTHING in that E.O. that says anything about fringes, military courts or martial law. You don't have to take my word for it -- you can read the document yourself online in several places.

    There an article on the ADL web site here:

    Sovereign Citizen Movement -- Extremism in America

    that gives some background on the movement.

    Regards to all,

    Peter Ansoff
    Forum Admin
     
  3. That didn't give ANY background info on the movement but only talked of a couple "persons"..... take 10 minutes and watch this.... "US Citizen" means freed slave ... 14th amendment citizens are what you all are... I am a sovereign American tracing my roots back to the 1700 here in AMERICA.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4xV4MTnCdc


    you can delete my words but you can not delete me....

    Michael Badnarik.... google him get informed. wake up.
     
  4. Flaguser

    Flaguser New Member

    HA! Thats what you think! You are all secretly controlled by the old wise ones, from their hidden base in Atlantis! They get orders from their masters on Mars who make crop circles when their invisble ships land. They can "delete" you any time they want to, just by focusing their incoherance ray at you. This is true, because it is written on the back of the Constitution in disappearing ink. Beware the wise ones!
     
  5. Peter Ansoff

    Peter Ansoff USA Flag Site Admin

    Dear fellow forum members,

    I think that it's time to close this thread. If anyone disagrees, please post a note in the admin section, or send me a private message, and we can discuss it.

    Best,

    Peter Ansoff
    Forum Admin
     
  6. i agree.... i must have read this the same moment as you did!

    This thread died and then died again !
     
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