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Hi, a friends son was suspended for 3 days from Klein Collins High School in Spring, Texas for removing a mexican flag that was on display at the school in ...
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    regfan40 is offline Junior Member
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    Hi, a friends son was suspended for 3 days from Klein Collins High School in Spring, Texas for removing a mexican flag that was on display at the school in a position higher than the US Flag. He removed the flag on Cinco de Mayo. He is a USAF ROTC student. He is a fine, upstanding young man and I feel that his escort from class by 3 authority figures and his subsequent suspension is wrong.

    If we do not defend Old Glory and all she stands for, what does this say for our nation and all those who have shed blood for all she represents?

    Does anyone else think this is wrong?

    regfan40@yahoo.com

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    I don't know if this is a "real" story or not. However, one conservative radio talk show host in the Houston, Texas area (Michael Berry), seems to think so.

    Seeing the picture that is included in the "article/blog entry" makes me think that that at least part of the "story" has been deliberately fabricated.


    http://www.ktrh.com/pages/michaelberry.html


    Thursday, May 6th
    Thursday 05-06-2010 5:17pm CT
    Local School Suspends Student for Removing MEXICAN Flag


    Yesterday, a listener’s son was offended that his school, Klein Collins High School, displayed the Mexican flag prominently. His mother called to complain, and the school wouldn’t return her call. The student took the sign down.



    The school pitched a fit, reviewed the surveillance tapes, found the student, and suspended him for 3 days. AND he has to pay for the flag. In light of the SF story of students sent home for wearing the AMERICAN flag because it offended the Hispanic students, I thought you’d like to know about a story closer to home.

    Right here in our community. Feel free to let the school know what you think. You pay their salaries.

    Klein Collins High School (832) 484.5500. Assistant Principal handling the case: Mr. Shelly Dick. Seriously.

    Call Mr. Dick and let him have it. The Superintendent is Jim Cain.

    You realize, I assume, that if a student removed – or even burned – the AMERICAN flag, they wouldn’t do anything about it, I’ll bet.


    I find it semi-interesting that "stories" like these always seem to "pop-up" every year right around the 5th of May. I expect some of my more conservative friends will be sending me (and everybody else they know), over-wrought e-mails telling me just how "outraged" they are... blah, blah, blah..... yada, yada, yada.....


    .....SIGH.....


    NOTE : The picture of the Flagpole (above) showing the Mexican National Flag flying at the pole's peak and a larger, upside down, American Flag flying below it are part of Michael Berry's blog entry.


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    Default Re: wrongful suspension for defending Old Glory

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    FOLLOW UP :


    I should have added that a Google NEWS search for "Klein Collins High School" +"Mexican Flag" produced NO results.

    "NO results" means that Google was unable to find any NEWS entries posted on the internet by any news gathering disseminating organizations.

    Most of the "regular" Google search entries (at least near the top of the search results page) seem to be based on KTRH's Michael Berry blog entry.


    Maybe by the time YOU are reading this, things will have changed. One way to find out: Go see for yourself.

    The following link should take you to Google's "regular" search page. To see what news stories have been found, click on the "NEWS" link at the top of the Google page:


    http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=%22Klein+Colli ns+High+School%22+%22Mexican+Flag%22&btnG=Search


    GOOD LUCK !!!


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    This is a myth made up by someone. Sad to see that everyone is up in arms over someone's prank e-mail. For Michael Berry's webpage, just one look at it and you can see that it is just a "hype page" to get someone interested.

    Research before you post and spam mail.

    Visit Klein ISD Homepage to see their main page about all this fuss.

    This is posted on their main page as of 4/07/2010

    Response to Inaccurate Allegations
    Neither the Klein Independent School District nor any of its campuses has flown another country or state’s flag on a pole outside of its facilities.
    Neither the Klein Independent School District nor any of its campuses has flown the American flag upside down.
    Neither the Klein Independent School District nor any of its campuses has displayed another country or state’s flag in a manner that would dishonor or disrespect the American flag or the Texas state flag.
    It is unfortunate that one person’s misinformation has caused such a disruption for our students. The facts are as stated above.

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    I just checked the Google link I created earlier and there appears to be at least one real news story (so far).


    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/6995047.html


    Mexican flag display causes flap at Klein Collins High

    By MOISES MENDOZA Copyright 2010 Houston Chronicle
    May 7, 2010, 1:53 PM

    Klein Independent School District officials today declined to confirm reports that a student at Klein Collins High School was disciplined for tearing down a Mexican flag displayed in the school as part of a Cinco de Mayo celebration this week.

    Klein ISD spokeswoman Trazanna Moreno said a student at the high school had requested and been granted permission to hang the flag from a hallway balcony to celebrate his heritage during the annual celebration. Another student tore the flag down and threw it in a trash can, she said.

    Citing privacy regulations, Moreno said she could not discuss if the student who took the flag down was punished. But, she said, “We want our students to be respectful of other people's property.”

    Moreno said the school has been inundated with phone calls since the incident became a local talk radio topic.

    On its Web site, the district issued the following statement:

    “Neither the Klein Independent School District nor any of its campuses has flown another country or state's flag on a pole outside of its facilities.

    “Neither the Klein Independent School District nor any of its campuses has flown the American flag upside down.

    “Neither the Klein Independent School District nor any of its campuses has displayed another country or state's flag in a manner that would dishonor or disrespect the American flag or the Texas state flag.

    “It is unfortunate that one person's misinformation has caused such a disruption for our students. The facts are as stated above.”

    moises.mendoza@chron.com



    So now we all know a little more of the real story, don't we?


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    It has also been covered on Houston Texas on NBC channel 2 at 5pm, will be on fox26 at 9pm central in houston, and was covered on ch 39 too.

    I know some of what Michael Berry initially said wasn't quite accurate, but it doesn't stop one simple fact...

    The display on an upper balcony of the mexican flag INSIDE the school had it being displayed at least four feet ABOVE the height of the american flag on the flagpole outside. The flag in the hallway was not the same paper flag that was lower than old glory that was mentioned by some persons that was on display in the cafeteria, but a real cloth flag. I could be wrong, and if so, sorry.... but I don't think it is proper to display ANY flag at a height greater than the US flag, and definately not on US soil.

    THAT is my beef with this. I may not be thrilled that he put it in a trash can, but I find nothing wrong with him removing it. He states he tried to find the owner so he could return it, but no-one would tell him whose flag it was.
    Of course Klein Collins High School is going to go all politically correct on the issue all of a sudden... what do you expect. They are trying to deflect attention from what happened and place all blame on the student.

    If a president can lie under oath, and other politicians try to take false moral ground, then later capitulate when all the facts are presented and their words proven false or misleading, why should we not witness the same behavior from the school district?

    As I said before, I have a beef with the disrespecting of the flag by displaying a flag of another nation above the height that our flag is flown.
    Last edited by regfan40; 05-07-2010 at 08:46 PM. Reason: left out the end of a sentence...

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    Default Re: wrongful suspension for defending Old Glory

    The display on an upper balcony of the mexican flag INSIDE the school had it being displayed at least four feet ABOVE the height of the american flag on the flagpole outside.

    There's no question that one national flag should not be displayed higher than another -- that would violate both the flag code and the long-standing international custom that the code is based on. However, I think it's pretty clear that the custom and code refer to displaying the two flags together, so that an observer could reasonably consider them to comprise a single "statement". If one of the flags is hanging indoors from a balcony, and the other one is outside flying from a pole, it doesn't sound like there's much of an issue -- an observer couldn't even see both flags at the same time.

    One could carry this argument to absurd extremes. I have a US flag on a 15 foot pole in front of my house. If the Mexican Embassy in DC (several miles from my house) has a Mexican flag on a 25-foot pole . . . well, you see where this is going.

    I may not be thrilled that he put it in a trash can, but I find nothing wrong with him removing it.

    Well, I do find something wrong with it. It is technically known as "theft," and that is both morally and legally wrong. The fact that the stolen item is a flag does not change that.

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    To put this criminal episode into some kind of "Patriotism vs. Racism" perspective.....


    What do you think our patriotic pipsqueek "hero" student might have illegally done if it were March 17th (St. Patrick's Day) and the "offending" flag hung from the 2nd floor railing (with permission) was Ireland's National Flag?

    What if were Columbus Day and the un-American flag hung from the 2nd floor railing (with permission) was the National Flag of Italy or Spain? What, if anything, would our patriotic little flag purloiner have dared to do?

    The French Flag (hung with permission) on July 14th (Bastille Day)?

    The Canadian Flag (hung with permission) on Canada Day (July 1st)?

    What if school was still in session on December 29th and the non-American Texas State Flag was hung from the 2nd floor railing (with permission) to honor Texas Statehood?


    DO YOU GET "IT" ???


    Whether on purpose or by accident, I hope we can all better see and understand the dark, deep-seated motivations of the people involved in this little "Flag Fracas".


    Scary, ain't it ???


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